Integrating DCC with Direct Radio Control
A proposal by Stan Ames


Hybrid Drive allows you to operate DCC with track power, DCC with battery power (where the DCC signal is still transmitted over the rails track but no track electrical connection is necessary) and in a combination of the above where track power is used when available and battery power when not available.

In all of these cases their is still a common DCC command station and the radio control goes from the radio to a receiver connected to the command station.

One other common approach to operate Large Scale model railroads is Direct Radio Control where the transmitter sends a signal directly to the receiver within a unique locomotive.

Following is a proposal submitted for discussion within the DCC WG for combining Direct Radio Control with DCC.  A Tech note on this approach will be written upon completion of this discussion followed in time by a Recommended Practice and or Standard as appropriate.


Background

In Large Scale we have a wider variety of operating styles then is most common in the smaller scales.  One common method is using Direct Radio Control with on-board power in the locomotive.   In this approach the radio transmitter is in direct radio communication with the receiver in the locomotive.  In many cases information is only sent when a change occurs. Unfortunately there is no standards for the radio transmission and thus no interchange between different brands.  Achieving this standardization would be nice but likely not possible.  I am looking for the next level of a common denominator.

The most common method for installing Direct Radio Control is best described by rip and replace.  The existing electronics inside the locomotive are ripped out and the Radio control circuits are installed.

This raises a problem. 

As we move forward more and more electronics is being integrated inside the locomotives to achieve much better performance and integration with sound.

In the DCC world we are finding more and more integration between the locomotive and the decoder.  When done correctly the harmony produces effects that are truly amazing. A good example of this was recently shown by Lenz in its O Scale locomotives and by QSI in its integration of sound being done in its latest product release.  Unfortunately the rip and replace approach is at direct odds with this total integration approach.  The end user is often left with the need to purchase both and throw away one.  A side effect is that the resulting integration with the locomotive is less and capabilities are lost.

A side effect is that the lack of standardization has discouraged locomotive manufacturers from providing an even greater integration which in turn holds back the hobby from evolving.

Recommended Approach

One of the greatest strengths of DCC is the combination of the signal and the power.  This combination of signal and power is the primary reason DCC works so well on layouts works wide. 

 I am recommending a method to remove this combination for the Direct Radio Control application

DCC is after all a serial protocol.  If we remove the power component, we can use a very small amplitude signal to interface any future control system to the decoders/sound systems that exist within the locomotives without the need to remove any compoonents.


Approach

I propose a new optional port on the decoder.   The characteristics of the port are as follows,

  1. Uni or bi polar non continuous DCC signal input at a  5V nominal input, referenced to decoder ground
  2. Only 1 packet per 10 seconds would be required.  The packet time out to be determined by a CV (note the greater the time the longer the locomotive will operate after loss of signal.  This can be both an advantage and a disadvantage so an adjustable timeout value is needed)
  3. The decoder would provide both a positive and negative connection at a rating of up to 1 amp would be provided to connect the alternate signal input.
  4. The decoder would provide for a way to receive power for motor and function control from an external source
  5. For completeness a standard plug socket for this connection should be defined

There is really nothing new here as many manufacturers have provided a technique for doing this for years.  The only new idea is a call for consistency so that a wide number of manufacturers can build products that can interchange with each other.


This would allow all third party system designers to design control systems that produced a standard serial signal that could be used to control a wide variety of products in the market.

I am looking for input on this before I proceed with a formal Tech Note proposal.  I will also be presenting this concept at the NELSTS at the end of March in York, PA.

Some History of past experiments with trying to improve DCC operations Outdoors

Clinic presented at the 2006 Narrow Gauge Convention in Durango

Clinic presentation at the 2007 Narrow Gauge Convention in Portland

Video Demonstrations on DCC Hybrid Drive

How to install Hybrid Drive

DCC Hybrid Drive FAQ

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